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« on: July 09, 2009, 05:39:45 PM »

So I'm new to the world of watching movies on the handheld devices.  I guess I don't know the first thing about it.  There there like a 101 tutorial on how to do it.  I've heard you have a few steps to go through, but I seem to have found just one step only.

My assumption is that you download and/or purchase DVD ripping software such as Handbrake or DVDFab.  I know there are lots of others as well.  Install that on your computer and insert your favorite DVD movie and let it rip to your computer.  Once it's ripped you can take the file(s) that were created and put them in the proper folder of tye micro card?  Sounds easy enough right?  I guess what I don't know about is what is the format the Touch reads?  AVI, MP4...etc.  Is it really that simple with only minor tweaking to bit rate and format size such as wide screen or otherwise to deal with?

I would be more than happy to go look up information on a web link if anybody knows, or if you are able to write it out that would be fine.  I did see one article here semi-related to my question but since I don't know where to begin I thought this may be a good place for a newb to learn.  Also, the previous link I found linked to a Voyager page which also required being registed to in order to read the info.

Thank you everybody.....
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 07:35:15 PM »

I think the most common format for the Touch would be 3gp or mp4.   Handbrake and Super seem to be favored video converters because they are easy to use and FREE! This link may start you off in the right direction. http://www.env-touch.com/index.php?topic=636.0
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 08:05:31 PM »

Thanks Coyote, I did actually read that thread already but it seemed there were a lot of open ended answers such as the best file format for the quality and the How-To create it part.  As I am new to this aspect of digital media, hearing the term "digital converter" didn't help a whole lot.  I will look more into the handbrake software to see what's it's all about and how it works.  I'll try to rip a copy of a DVD I already have and it may make more sense after that.  I won't have the phone for another 24 hours, I figure I'll go pick it up tomorrow after work.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 09:19:01 PM »

Thanks Coyote, I did actually read that thread already but it seemed there were a lot of open ended answers such as the best file format for the quality and the How-To create it part.  As I am new to this aspect of digital media, hearing the term "digital converter" didn't help a whole lot.  I will look more into the handbrake software to see what's it's all about and how it works.  I'll try to rip a copy of a DVD I already have and it may make more sense after that.  I won't have the phone for another 24 hours, I figure I'll go pick it up tomorrow after work.

Ok.  I went through a stage where I was trying all sorts of freebie software to do certain things at the same time I was trying to learn about making dvd's and the different file formats that would play on a DVD player and the Voyager (don't have the Touch yet).  Needless to say I got a cluttered desktop and confusion for my troubles.  I purchased DVDClone mobile.  It will rip the movie off the DVD into a wide variety of formats some specifically for phones like 3gp and mp4.  I know others find useful free tools.  I will buy stuff if it works.  Anyway, I am by no means an expert, but I hope you will get back here with information that you find out.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 10:32:17 PM »

I will get back with you on stuff that doesn't work.  haha

So far I'm on my 3rd attempt at ripping with handbrake.  No luck.  I'm stumbling.  I let it run earlier but came home and realized my laptop wasn't plugged in so I guess it didn't complete.  I am trying again as we (I) speak (type).

Three failed attempts earlier when I was trying to do a few chapters so it would go fast.  It didn't like only a few chapters.  Hopefully this will run through successfully.  All I want is a file to produce,  don't care if it works on the phone.  Mostly because I don't have it yet.  Once I get it to rip I'll worry about playback on the tiny hand held device.

I'll get it, I'm a self proclaimed geek!  Must like most on the forum I'm sure.

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Okay, I converted a movie to MP4.  Excellent, it's on my desktop finally.  Humm, 7.71kb, that sound suspicious.  I'll play it anyway.  Yeah right!  Quick time does not recognize the file.  Okay, I'll play it with Window's Media Play.  Fat Chance!  Okay, time to try it as an AVI.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 11:07:01 PM »

I'm not familiar with handbrake but you won't be able to rip a retail dvd unless your converter has a decrypter built in or you have a separate decrypter running on your computer.  There has to be something that unravels the css encryption that is built into most dvd's.  Unless you are running vista 64-bit, I suggest acquiring dvd43.  It's freeware and very well made. It will run in the background using minimal resources and enables you to use any converter you like to rip retail dvd's. 

I use some less-than-legal programs on my Vista-64 machine (Microsoft forced my hanb there) so I can't share them with you here (nor can anyone else).  On my older XP machine, I actually purchased a program called Xilisoft DVD to 3gp Converter 4.  I'm sure they have newer versions out by now.  But with dvd43 running in the background, it lets you rip and convert a movie straight from a dvd source into any of more than a dozen file formats with any settings that you might need to change in order to make the video fit your chosen device, i.e cell phone.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 11:44:19 PM »

Humm, now there is a little piece of information that seems helpful.  haha

When I run handbrake it says that is is encoding.  Is that the same a decrypting?

I will look into dvd43 and see what it does as well are other searches for something similar.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 12:02:46 AM »

DVD43 is the only free-standing decryption freeware program that I have ever heard of.  All of the rest are programs that have the decryption software built into it, which is how they end up on the no-no list as far as legality.  I'll do a little research into handbrake to see if that software includes decryption software but encoding is not the same as decrypting.

As for what dvd43 does, it basically tells your computer that the dvd it is reading does not have any encryption so that it can read your disc the same as any personal dvd that you made yourself.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 07:48:53 AM »

Humm, now there is a little piece of information that seems helpful.  haha

When I run handbrake it says that is is encoding.  Is that the same a decrypting?

I will look into dvd43 and see what it does as well are other searches for something similar.

I loaded Handbrake on my PC last night and tried what you did. It does something "Encoding" for about a second then says "Encoding Completed"  It left a 12k file in its wake.  I thought wtf so I looked more closely at the website and found a spot where Handbrake makes it clear that it does not rip DVD's it is only a file converter.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 10:33:28 AM »

Direct from Handbrake's website under their description of the software:

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Any DVD-like source: VIDEO_TS folder, DVD image or real DVD (unencrypted--protection methods including CSS are not supported internally and must be handled externally with third-party software and libraries), and some .VOB and .TS files

That is the exact situation that would require the use of dvd43.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 12:01:54 PM »

Thanks for looking into this guys.

I only went forward after reading the descriptions of what it did because a friend of mine used it to create his file for his blackberry.  It has been a few months since he attempted so he may not remember what the exact steps were.  However, he thought it was as simple as hitting "go" and getting a result after.  I am not home so I can't check out the other pieces of software but I will.  I haven't had an opportunity to discuss with my friend the details yet.  I know there must be something missing.....It must be the steps you folks are discussing.  Again, I'm not sure what is necessary to make it happen.  I believe I am closer though realizing you need to first decrypt the files.  Once it's decrypted and readable is when you can choose a file type to convert it to such as 3gpp.

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So I was able to finally create a video file from a commercial DVD.  It played back wonderfully on the computer but when I placed the *.mp4 file on my Touch it doesn't like it.  I didn't have an option to copy it as a 3gpp so I'll have to play around and see if I missed the option or converted it poorly.  The positive is that I was able to create the file...the negative is that it is the wrong format for the phone.  One step closer!!
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 06:52:38 PM »

i just like putting my micro SD card into the micro SD adaptor then putting that into my camera, connecting it to my computer, and dragging and dropping vids into the My Flix folder.. comes out in amazing quality and the sound isnt all delayed or anthing, bcuz i once put spiderman 3 on my psp waited like 5 hours for it to transfer over only to see that it came out with the sound like 15 seconds delayed Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 06:55:08 PM »

Why do you use your camera as a USB mass storage device instead of the phone itself?  You don't need the adapter at all.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 11:14:25 PM »

I used DVDFab 6 to convert a DVD for my Touch.  Although, this download is a trial, it worked just fine for the movie.  I clicked on DVD to Mobile, inserted my DVD and it created a file formatted for "Blackberry".  This process did take several hours... started it before I went to bed and was finished when I woke up.  Then I moved the new file from my computer to the video folder on my phone and was able to watch it. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 06:11:24 PM »

Use DVD Shrink to rip movie (only the movie) to ISO.
Use Daemon Tools to mount image.
Use Hanbrake to convert.

Works like a charm for me. The real trick is to find a balance between video quality and playback via MP4 H.264. 368x208 at 24fps,  2nd pass encoding (Turbo), files size 400MB-500MB works really great with very good video.

Not all converters are the same. Some converts DVD to crap video. So far Handbrakes works the best.


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